Trailed stars captured in SGP with PHD2.6.2

Hi Subaru,

In case you did not see my response to your post in the PHD2 forum, I’ll repeat it here…

If there is an issue with 2.6.2 we’ll need your help finding it since we are not hearing other reports and I am not aware of any code changes between 2.6.1 and 2.6.2 that would affect dithering or SGP communication. It would be great if we could see your log files from a session where you encountered the issue with the latest phd2 (v2.6.2 or the latest dev build 2.6.2dev3). PHD2 debug log and guide log and SGP log would be most helpful.

Thanks,
Andy

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Hi Andy,

Please find the logs attached, together with the 2 FITS.
PHD2_GuideLog_2016-09-16_235411.txt (53.7 KB)
sg_logfile_20160916233335.txt (484.9 KB)

  1. FITS (00:09 local time) with trailed stars with large swings in RA, after I increased the RA aggressiveness: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_pmhCQ1-e6aTlN5VDdqSUxvTEE
  2. FITS (00:32 local time) with trailed stars after I turned on dithering: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_pmhCQ1-e6abmpkYzJsLWw3Qk0

I then uninstalled PHD2.6.2 and reinstall 2.6.1, and it worked better that night.

Please help.

David

David, could you please also attach the debug log. Thanks.
Andy

Hi Andy,

Please find attached.
PHD2_DebugLog_2016-09-16_235411.zip (222.0 KB)

David

Hi Andy,

I attach one more instance having trailed star in DEC, when I forgot to click “RA dithering only” I usually did.

Not sure if the exposure started when the dithering was still settling causing the problem.

This was the same night, I uninstalled PHD2.6.2 dev3 and reinstall PHD2.6.1.

I then clicked “RA dithering only” and the following frames are better.

FITS with trailed star with DEC dithering (0049 local time) : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_pmhCQ1-e6abnlLNHgydTRGc0k

PHD2_GuideLog_2016-09-17_004308.txt (123.4 KB)
PHD2_DebugLog_2016-09-17_004308.zip (534.6 KB)
sg_logfile_20160917004158.txt (357.9 KB)

David

David,

Thanks for the logs. There is a lot going on there.

First, I think your main issue is that you have SGP configured with a settle time of zero or else you don’t have the settle option checked, I’m not sure which.

When the option is not checked or the value is 0 seconds, then settling will be considered to be done any time the guide star happens to fall within 1.5 pixels of the lock position, even if it is bouncing all over the place (which it is!)

Another problem I see is that in phd2 you have selected spiral dither and dither RA only, and in SGP you have selected Extreme Dither (5 pixels). The combination of spiral dither and dither RA only will tell PHD2 to dither with this sequence of relative lock position coordinates: (0,0) -> (+5,0) -> (-5,0) -> (-10,0) -> (+10,0) -> (+15,0) -> (-15,0) … So you can see that the dither steps will become quite large. If you need to keep dither RA only, you should either go to the default (random) dither, or use a much smaller dither size, like Small Dither or Medium Dither. (I’d recommend using the default random dither in your case, not spiral.)

The guide logs show a significant amount of RA oscillation and dec backlash. If you’d like to discus how to diagnose those problems, it would be a better topic for the PHD2 forum since it is unrelated to SGP.

To close the loop on 2.6.2 vs 2.6.1 vs 2.6.2dev3: that’s a red herring. With settle time set to zero or disabled and the large random ra oscillations and dec backlash, your results are not deterministic and any difference between the PHD2 versions is coincidental.

Going forward I’d start by fixing the settling settings in SGP and go back to default random dither in PHD2. If you’re guiding results are still not adequate after that, we can dig into it more on the phd2 forum.

Hope that helps,
Andy

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Thanks a lot Andy.

Oh yes, the issue came when I selected spiral dither when it became
available in 2.6.2.

I will follow your recommendation, and let me check the result when the sky
permits.

David

I suggested that above.